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from Public Petitions Committee Official Report 24 November 2004
Scottish
Parliament, Public Petitions Committee, Wednesday 24 November 2004
[THE
CONVENER opened the meeting at 10:01]
New
Petitions: Building Regulations (Thermostatic Mixing Valves) (PE786)
The
Convener (Michael McMahon): Good morning, colleagues, and
welcome to the 18th meeting in 2004 of the Public Petitions Committee.
Apologies have been received from Sandra White and Rosie Kane. I
hope that the other members who are not yet with us but who have
not sent apologies will turn up shortly. We have a busy agenda and,
rather than delay further the start of the meeting, I propose that
we start.
Item
1 is our consideration of new petitions, the first of which is PE786.
The petitioner, Alan Masterton, has submitted the petition on behalf
of the Scottish Burned Children's Club. He calls on the Scottish
Parliament to urge the Scottish Executive to include in Scottish
building regulations a mandatory requirement for thermostatic mixing
valves to be installed in the hot-water systems of all new-build
and renovated properties.
Alan
Masterton will give a brief statement in support of the petition.
He is accompanied by Darren Ferguson and Ken Stewart. I welcome
all three witnesses. As is our normal practice, you have a few minutes
to make your introductory remarks, after which we will move to questioning
and then to the committee debate on the petition.
Alan
Masterton: On behalf of the Scottish Burned Children's
Club, I thank the committee for hearing our petition today. On my
right is Mr Kenneth Stewart, a consultant paediatric plastic surgeon
from the Royal hospital for sick children in Edinburgh. To my left
is Mr Darren Ferguson. At only six months old, Darren sustained
a bath water scald injury. In a few minutes' time, he will tell
the committee a little of his journey.
Our
motivation in submitting PE786 was borne out of frustration at the
apparent lack of appetite among committee members' colleagues in
the political world for a legislative end to the scourge of preventable
scald injuries to children and the elderly, who are the weakest
members of our society. For more than a year, we have kept a watchful
eye on the progress of the thermostatic mixing valve debate. The
issue has been kicked from one committee to another; the only decision
has been which committee to refer the matter to next, further deferring
the matter. Our fear is that the issue will be kicked into the long
grass and forgotten about, which is something that could never be
tolerated.
We
hope that the Public Petitions Committee will agree that that intolerable
situation cannot be allowed to continue. While committees defer
and prevaricate, our children turn up at accident and emergency
departments at the rate of 2,500 per year, of whom 500 are admitted
to hospital. Of that number, 65 per cent stay in hospital for more
than five days and 75 per cent are aged 5 or under. All their injuries
are bath scald injuries.
I ask
committee members to think of their children and grandchildren,
and then of the 10 children just like them who turn up at hospital
every day with a hot water scald injury. How can we, as responsible
adults and parents, allow that horror to continue?
We
could produce all sorts of figures from the big, impersonal picture
that highlight the tragedy of scald injuries, but the figures do
not tell the personal story of the human cost of scald injuries:
the cost in scald victims' loss of self-confidence and the continued
and repeated pain cycle that such injuries create. Even with the
best care and with the skill of people such as the gentleman on
my right, the best skin graft will always be a poor substitute for
the skin with which people were born.
Grafted
skin does not grow and flex like your skin and my skin. It does
not allow our bodies' thermostatic systems and nerve functions to
operate in the graft area as they otherwise do. For every graft
carried out, there is a graft donor site that is painful and uncomfortable.
Let us build a safety fence at the top of the cliff and retire the
ambulance down in the valley. Let us prevent this horror from happening
in our homes and stealing the childhoods of our precious children.
Let us put an end to lifetimes of constant medical treatment and
to the psychological scarring that results from this most pernicious
of preventable injuries.
The
solution is Scottish, simple and inexpensive: it is to include in
the new building regulations that are planned to be introduced in
May 2005 the fitting as standard in all bathrooms of new-build and
renovated properties a thermostatic mixing valve, or TMV. This wonderfully
simple piece of kit has been likened to having a sentry posted in
the bathroom at all times, protecting your family—a sentry
who will never sleep or fail you and who is always there to protect
you and yours.
The
TMV has two principal functions. First, it will control water temperature
flow to the bath to within 1°C
in a temperature range of between 40°C and 48°C. The second
function is a safety shut-off. If, for any reason, the cold-water
supply is lost, the valve will close the hot-water supply in less
than a second, providing a second line of defence. There are no
circumstances in which hot water will flow uncontrolled through
the valve.
We
are proud to inform the committee that a Scottish firm was the first
to develop the technology, as far back as 1925. The technology is
not new or untried. To this day, the Horne Engineering valve is
recognised as the industry standard, against which all newcomers
in the field test their product.
There
has been much deliberation and many studies have been done on different
methods of preventing bath scald injuries. The most in-depth survey
carried out in the United Kingdom in recent times was the Wakefield
district burns and scalds prevention project, which was funded by
the Department of Trade and Industry and the Royal Society for the
Prevention of Accidents. The report has just been published and
I forwarded a copy to the committee clerk today to assist members
with their deliberations.
The
report deals with three different approaches to scald prevention:
education, engineering and enforcement. It concludes:
"Undoubtedly,
the use of TMVs" (the
engineering solution) "had
the greatest impact on reducing the risk of scalding by reducing
the outlet temperatures."
The
report continues:
"The
reluctance of parents to allow TMVs to be fitted in their homes"
(because
of lack of knowledge about the valves) "highlights
the need for legislation to provide a permanent and effective solution
to these preventable accidents."
On
behalf of the children of Scotland, I ask members not to prevaricate
on this matter and, please, to engage in the sincere effort to have
fitting of thermostatic mixing valves included in the May 2005 building
regulations.
Government
figures predict that an estimated 27,000 new homes will be built
in the private sector in the next four years. Many thousands of
homes will undergo renovations that will require building warrants.
Over the next four years, an opportunity exists to build a safety
fence in more than 40,000 homes by fitting TMVs. Conversely, there
is the potential to lose, unforgiveably, the opportunity to get
rid of the ambulance down in the valley.
I ask
you to afford the children of our country protection equal to that
which is afforded to you and your colleagues here in this magnificent
new centre
of democracy. No one will ever suffer a scald injury in this place,
because those responsible for the future operational care of the
showers and bathrooms in the building had the foresight and good
sense to ensure that TMVs were fitted here for your safety.
Thank
you for your time. I hand over to Dan Ferguson, who will say a little
about his experience.
Darren
Ferguson: Ladies and gentlemen, I have undergone 59 major
operations, numerous minor operations and laser surgery. When I
was a youngster and I was due to undergo an operation, I found it
difficult to concentrate on school work before the op. When I am
in pre-op, I am always anxious because I know that no matter how
skilful my surgeons are, I will always be in pain when I awake—that
is guaranteed. When I go to sleep, I know that I will be in pain
when I awake.
When
I am recovering from operations, I cannot disguise the fact that
I have been injured or have recently undergone surgery. That is
a fact of life for me. The constant staring, by kids and by grown-ups
who should know better, makes life difficult for me, but I have
come to accept how I am, and if others have a problem with my appearance,
that is their problem, not mine. My physical injuries are plain
for all to see, but I have others that cannot be seen. I was robbed
of my childhood because I had to grow up and face things that none
of my friends had to face. The injury that cannot be seen is the
suffering of my family; no member of my family has been unaffected.
I understand
that it would cost about £80 for TMVs to safeguard a family
home. My hope is that politicians will listen to my story and realise
that this petition is just plain common sense. How can anyone say
that 21 years of physical and mental pain, a lifetime of disfigurement
and the huge cost to the national health service are not worth an
investment of £80 to save children and families from having
to endure all that I and my family have had to suffer? Thank you
for allowing me to tell my story.
The
Convener: Thank you. I will take questions from the committee
to explore the issue further.
Jackie
Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab): This is a highly persuasive
case and we have heard some powerful testimony this morning. I have
two questions. My first is to Ken Stewart, because having an appreciation
of the scale of the difficulty would be helpful, as would hearing
what he feels is the most appropriate way forward for the Parliament.
My second question is to Alan Masterton. The former Transport and
the Environment Committee took evidence on the Building (Scotland)
Act 2003. Did you raise the issue
with the committee at that stage? If you did, what was the response?
Obviously that was a legislative vehicle that would have been ideally
suited to addressing the petition.
Alan
Masterton: No. To be honest, we have been involved in the
campaign only for the past year. We were really on the fringes of
things last year but, having read everything that there is to read
on the subject, we could not understand the hold-up.
Every
year the Scottish Burned Children's Club takes 20 to 30 kids on
a camp and we see at first hand the results of bath scald injuries.
Ken Stewart sees them daily and we just felt that something had
to be done. We have a simple, inexpensive solution and the club
cannot understand why it has not been adopted.
Mr
Ken Stewart: I had the information and statistics division
collate the data for Scotland for the past five years. There were
approximately 1,700 presentations to accident and emergency departments
of children under 14 with burns. Of those cases, 121 related to
tap water or bath water scalds; that is 7 per cent.
I have
the figures for admissions to Edinburgh sick children's hospital
for the past five years, which show that 17 per cent of admissions
related to tap water or bath water scalds. In other words, burns
from falling in a bath are generally more severe than they are from
a hot cup of coffee. We classify burns according to the percentage
of body surface area that is affected. Often, the percentage from
bath water scalds goes up to 60 or 70 per cent, whereas a hot cup
of tea will rarely cause more than a 10 per cent scald.
How
deep and disfiguring a scald is depends on the temperature of the
water and the duration of contact. If a helpless individual falls
in a bath, they tend to be in contact with the water for a significant
period of time, so not only are the percentages greater, but the
degree of disfigurement is greater. Each scald is an individual
tragedy. You have heard Darren's testimony. If you came to my clinic
on a Friday afternoon, I could give you more examples.
There
is also significant mortality. Unfortunately, every few years we
have a child die of toxic shock syndrome related to scalds. The
elderly in nursing homes and so on are also a vulnerable group.
Every year in Scotland an elderly person dies from being immersed
in hot bath water.
Jackie
Baillie: In your view, are TMVs the answer?
Mr
Stewart: TMVs will not prevent scalds from hot drinks,
such as hot cups of tea and coffee, but they will prevent 20 per
cent of hospital admissions. We are not suggesting that they should
be universally applied in every household, but we are asking for
a progressive approach to be taken, and for them to be applied to
new builds, so that ultimately every house will have them. That
would prevent 20 per cent of children's hospital admissions, representing
some of the severest thermal injuries.
Mike
Watson (Glasgow Cathcart) (Lab): I have a couple of follow-up
points related to Jackie Baillie's points. Are you aware of the
valves being used anywhere else in the world?
Alan
Masterton: Yes. They were originally created for use in
institutions that were the precursor to the national health service.
They go back to the days of steam, when calorifiers produced steam
in laundries. Steam was used to heat water, but the water was being
heated to boiling point, and it could not be used in the kitchens
and laundry rooms. Initially, TMVs were called blenders, and were
introduced to bring the water that was super heated by the steam
to a temperature that they could cope with. In England and Wales,
there are regulations to have them fitted in old folk's residential
care homes. The vast majority of the general public is unaware that
TMVs are available, as they are not marketed to them, so many plumbers'
merchants do not carry them, because there is no demand. That was
one of the problems in the Wakefield experiment. When people find
out about TMVs, they think that they produce cool or tepid baths,
so there is initial resistance, but once they are fitted and people
see that you can have a hot bath without having a scalding bath,
they gain wide acceptance. You cannot disagree with the figures,
especially in the Wakefield report. In the 200 homes in which TMVs
were fitted, there was not one, single hot water scald injury in
two years.
Mike
Watson: My other questions are on the practicalities. I
seek clarification on what you are asking for: you are suggesting
that the Scottish building regulations that will come into force
in May next year should demand that every new house built after
then should fit TMVs.
Alan
Masterton: That is correct. We are not asking for the policy
to be retrospective; we are saying that it would be a damn good
start if, as of May next year, a condition of the granting of any
new building application or application for a renovation should
be to install such a valve. A gradual approach should be taken.
We honestly believe that once people get used to having TMVs in
their homes, the news will spread and people will see the benefits.
I hope that, through time, every home will have one.
Mike
Watson: Darren Ferguson states in his letter that his understanding
is that it will cost about
£80 for a TMV to protect a normal home. Would that include
the cost of adapting an existing home water supply?
Alan
Masterton: No. The question is a bit like asking how long
a piece of string is. I have the entire set-up in front of me. Currently,
the valve costs £80. If a residential home bought 50 valves,
they would cost £80 each. Economies of scale mean that the
manufacturers reckon that they can bring the cost down to the region
of £50 and maintain their profit margin. It would probably
cost another £100 to convert an existing property, as it would
be necessary to modify the existing plumbing.
To
fit the mechanism into a new-build home would cost nothing extra
other than the price of the valve. It would be as easy to plumb
in the valve as it would be to run a bath or a shower as they are
currently plumbed; other than the price of the valve, it would make
no difference to the cost of the plumbing.
Mike
Watson: I have a final question. You might not be able
to answer this question, but do you know what it would be necessary
to do to introduce a requirement to install such valves to the building
regulations from 2005? I see that guidance has been issued subsequent
to the passing of the act. What steps would need to be taken between
now and May 2005 to have the fitting of such valves included in
the regulations?
Alan
Masterton: I cannot say what the legislative process would
be.
Mike
Watson: I understand.
John
Farquhar Munro (Ross, Skye and Inverness West) (LD): There
is no doubt that you have highlighted a serious problem. The remedy
is simple, if it is accepted. I am sure that any reasonable individual
who was considering the regulations would not fail to support what
you have suggested.
You
referred to bath water. I can see that it would be simple to fit
a thermostatic mixing valve to control the water that flows into
the bath, but what about the rest of the house? I am thinking of
the kitchen sink and the washhand basin in the toilet. Could the
valve control all water outlets in the building?
Alan
Masterton: Yes. The company recently fitted one to Darren
Ferguson's home. Because of the legionella threat, the valve can
only be fitted within 2m of the outflow, but it can be fitted strategically
in the bathroom, so that it can feed the sink and the bath; as long
as the outflow is within 2m, one valve can take care of both.
Another
valve would be needed for the kitchen sink. However, research shows
that higher temperatures are often required at the kitchen sink
to deal with grease and other horrible things that stick to cooking
utensils. The temperature of the water that is delivered when a
valve is fitted would not handle such cleaning. We appear before
the committee today to try to have the mechanism fitted to baths;
it will not be a panacea for all scalds and burns. However, if we
fit the valve in bathrooms, it will save 20 per cent of kids from
turning up at hospital. That is good enough for us to be going on
with for the time being.
The
valve could be fitted in several bathrooms and in the kitchen. If
someone who has a dishwasher wants to have added safety at the kitchen
sink, they could let the dishwasher handle the stuff that needs
hot water and have a valve fitted at the sink. That would not be
a problem.
John
Farquhar Munro: Is it correct that the valve comes with
a preset temperature setting that cannot be interfered with?
Alan
Masterton: It can be interfered with to suit the environment—the
blue bit at the bottom of the valve is used to alter the setting.
In Wakefield, where there are lots of old properties with cast-iron
baths and single glazing, it was found that the temperature that
was delivered from the valve had to be towards the upper limit at
the point of outflow to maintain a bath temperature of about 42°C,
which is a hot bath. In Scotland, especially in new-build properties
with plastic baths, double glazing and insulation, the delivery
temperature could probably be screwed down. The engineer or plumber
sets the temperature at the time of fitting. Once the temperature
is set, the cap goes back on and a special security key is needed
to get into the valve to adjust the temperature.
John
Farquhar Munro: That is really just a copy of shower units,
which have a temperature control.
Alan
Masterton: No, they are not the same, because the valves
do everything internally. I referred to them as simple, but they
have a fairly sophisticated temperature-control mechanism in the
centre that does everything automatically—nothing has to be
varied.
John
Farquhar Munro: Thank you. The case you have made this
morning deserves serious consideration and I am supportive of it.
Helen
Eadie (Dunfermline East) (Lab): I apologise for arriving
after you started, Mr Masterton. Like my colleagues, I find your
case compelling. You say that you envisage valves being installed
in every new-build property, but given what you have said this morning,
is there a case for it to be compulsory for valves to be fitted
retrospectively in all care homes and hospitals?
Alan
Masterton: I agree whole-heartedly, but we are realists
and we would hate to lose the opportunity to get the valves into
bathrooms by asking for too much. I do not mean to be disrespectful,
but the fewer committees that the proposal has to go to, the better.
More and more problems will be created if we ask for more and more.
Of course, it would be superb to put the valves into care homes,
because the elderly are another section of society that is susceptible
to horrific burns. The incidence of death from such burns is high
among the elderly because of toxic shock. The suggestion would have
untold benefit.
We
should bear in mind the fact that the valves have two functions:
they control the temperature within a 1°C margin; and they act
as a shut-off valve, so that if, for any reason, the cold water
is cut, the valve will not deliver hot water and will close in less
than a second. In an old folk's home in England, an old chap turned
on the hot and cold water in his bath and went to take off his clothes,
but, unknown to him, the water company was working in the street
and closed off the cold-water supply. When the man stepped into
the bath, the shock killed him because pure hot water had gone in.
If a valve had been fitted to his bath, the incident would not have
happened, because the safety feature would have shut off the hot
water automatically when the cold water was shut off.
Helen
Eadie: You are absolutely right. Some years ago, exactly
the same happened to an old lady in a care home in Fife. Last week,
I was in a hotel where the water was absolutely scalding. None of
us has mentioned hotels, but they should also have a duty to install
such valves.
Alan
Masterton: It is estimated that in 92 per cent of Scottish
homes, hotels and institutions, the hot water is at a temperature
that would scald a child in less than three seconds.
Mr
Stewart: Many scalds happen to children of families who
are living in temporary accommodation. Significant legislation exists
on multiple-occupancy homes and it could be argued that the valves
should be made compulsory in rented accommodation. Accidents often
happen when families move into temporary accommodation, because
the usual safety mechanisms that families inevitably build up suddenly
disappear. Such families are a very vulnerable group.
I agree
that it would be ideal to install valves in schools, old people's
homes, hotels and such environments. However, if an environment
can be created in which the valves are the accepted norm, the lawyers
will take care of the rest by ensuring that nursing homes, for example,
do not dare to take care of people without having valves fitted.
The
Convener: We have heard a convincing argument, but to whom
should we send the petition to progress it?
Jackie
Baillie: I would like to say a number of things before
I make recommendations. Unfortunately, there has been a missed opportunity
with the Building (Scotland) Act 2003. That said, we must clarify
whether the matter is for primary or secondary legislation. The
opportunity has not been entirely missed if it is for secondary
legislation.
Rather
than pre-empt what the Executive will say to us, I suggest that
the committee seems strongly to support the measures that have been
outlined and that it takes the petitioners' view that the issue
should essentially be about TMVs attached to baths in domestic households.
It is right to say that doing what is proposed will change the accepted
norm. If we propose something that is retrospective and too wide,
it will be difficult to deliver, so to deal with the narrow point
would be right. We should therefore write to the Scottish Executive
to say so and to ask whether it can introduce secondary legislation.
We should also write to the Scottish Building Standards Agency.
That would probably be enough at this stage, although I would be
keen for Ken Stewart to supply some data and an estimate of costs
for when the committee considers the matter again. I do not mean
information on the cost of valves but—aside from the human
costs that we have heard about today—the costs to the national
health service of not taking action. That would be helpful in making
a case.
The
Convener: I apologise to Michael Matheson. I indicated
that I would call him to speak before we discussed recommendations,
but I forgot to come back to him.
Michael
Matheson (Central Scotland) (SNP): Perhaps I can assist
the committee with a couple of points of clarification about the
Building (Scotland) Act 2003 and how it operates. From my experience
of dealing with fire sprinklers, provisions on which will be introduced
into that act next year, I understand that the legislation acts
in effect as a framework into which new building regulations can
be inserted. If ministers were inclined to pursue the introduction
of thermostatic mixing valves through regulations, they would publish
draft regulations, consult on them and then insert them into the
act through a statutory instrument. Therefore, the matter is for
regulation rather than primary legislation.
In
discussing the petition, we have debated whether what is proposed
should be applied retrospectively. As I said, I have experience
of pursuing proposals relating to fire sprinklers. If the main objective
is to try to get thermostatic mixing valves installed into the 40,000
houses that will be built over the next four years, we should start
the process. The ball is rolling and we can start to change the
culture of thinking about what we should do in other properties
when they are being renovated by local authorities, for example.
The Scottish Burned Children's Club has decided to pursue a progressive
approach to try to change thinking on the matter.
It
may be helpful for members to be aware that the Office of the Deputy
Prime Minister is reviewing the relevant English and Welsh regulations.
I understand that the issue is not so much about whether valves
should be installed, but that the regulations are being reviewed
with a view to trying to identify what might be the best valve to
install. No comparable review is taking place in Scotland. I understand
that the Executive is likely to say that it will await the outcome
of the ODPM's findings but, given the experience to date, it seems
that the case for installing the valves has already been well made
and that they have a history of being effective. It seems rather
pointless to drag out the matter for another couple of years by
debating which valve should be installed.
Alan
Masterton: The specific valve that Horne Engineering Ltd
produces is available in Scotland now and exceeds the standard of
the valve that has been considered for the English and Welsh legislation.
John
Scott (Ayr) (Con): I, too, am concerned about what the
petitioner says and am convinced of its value. I also sat on the
then Transport and the Environment Committee when the Building (Scotland)
Act 2003 was considered. You will be aware that guidance was published
on 1 November, following that legislation.
Jackie
Baillie suggested that we write to the Executive; I think that she
is right, but I think that our letter to the Executive should also
seek clarification of whether the guidance that has been issued
is intended to instruct, in the most general sense, that such appliances
be fitted. It appears that the petitioners did not submit evidence
to the then Transport and the Environment Committee during the consultation
or in person, but it may well be that others did.
It
may also be that the guidance is intended to cover what we are being
petitioned about. The guidance states:
"Every
building must be designed and constructed in such a way that protection
is provided for people in, and around, the building from the danger
of severe burns or scalded from the discharge of steam or hot water".
That
guidance was issued on 1 November, and it may be that that covers
your oncerns. I feel that we
need clarification on that from the Executive. I certainly support
what the petition says, because I was unaware of the valve when
I served on the Transport and the then Environment Committee as
the Building (Scotland) Bill was going through Parliament.
The
Convener: It is worth pointing out that the information
that the clerks have is that the guidance does not refer specifically
to TMVs, so that would have to be clarified with the Scottish Executive.
John
Scott: Given that other such valves are apparently on the
market, the Executive may have wished not to be specific.
Alan
Masterton: There is nothing on the market that performs
as that valve does.
Mike
Watson: My concern is that we should move on the matter
as quickly as possible. I am aware of what Mr Masterton has said
about not wanting to be pushed from pillar to post. We do not want
further delays and May 2005 is a possible deadline for achieving
something.
The
committee's record on securing swift responses from the Executive
is not great, which is no reflection on the clerks. I wonder whether
there could be a more direct approach, perhaps by the petitioners
themselves, to get a quick response so that something can be done
by 2005. That deadline is less than six months away. Michael Matheson
may be able to tell us whether the regulations are updated every
year under the legislation. When would the next opportunity be,
if the May 2005 deadline were to be missed for any reason?
Michael
Matheson: I do not think that the regulations are formally
reviewed every year—they are reviewed if there is a requirement
for change. A working group was established this year, which has
responsibility for informing ministers of possible updates to the
regulations as and when necessary.
The
Convener: If necessary, I write about petitions directly
to ministers rather than to officials. If we have a general query
for the Executive, it would go to the officials in the relevant
department. It has sometimes been necessary for me to write directly
to the minister. In that letter, I can ask for a speedy response.
Would that satisfy you?
Mike
Watson: I think that it would.
The
Convener: I would be happy to do that.
Helen
Eadie: I am happy with that and with other suggestions.
Another suggestion is that we write to the Thermostatic Mixing Valve
Manufacturers Association and to the Scottish and Northern Ireland
Plumbing Employers Federation. In my own home, I have a boiler that
I can alter simply to adjust the settings to the appropriate water
temperature. I believe that all boilers for the past 20 years have
been able to do that, with both gas and electric thermostats. It
might be helpful to get a view from those organisations on that.
Alan
Masterton: Boiler temperature must be maintained above
60°C to dispel the possibility of legionella. That means that
whatever happens, the boiler cannot do the job that the valve does.
The heat source must heat the water to a temperature in excess of
60°C and the water must be carried through the pipes at a temperature
of 60°C. The valve must be fitted within 2m of delivery, which
is the pipe length that the federations regard as being safe if
the water temperature is to be less than 60°C without risk of
legionella.
The
Convener: Do we agree to write to the appropriate people,
as members suggested?
Members
indicated agreement.
The
Convener: Mr Masterton, members of the committee appear
to be well convinced by your presentation. We will pursue the matter
and get back to you when we receive the responses that we seek.
Thank you for your time.
Alan
Masterton: Thank you.
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